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Dave
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Posted: Wed Jul 20th, 2005 09:32 pm

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Hi,
Does anyone know of any Atkin Ninigrets in existence or being built so I can see what they look like, find out how they perform, see some specs on engine/speed combinations, cost, etc.? Even any for sale would be interesting.

I have the flat bottom version in my yard, built by my dad and a local boat builder maybe 50 yrs ago. I bought the plans for the V bottom version, Ninigret, but haven't started building.

I like the idea of a low power, easily driven hull but one that can take a good chop.

Here are two links I've found:

http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Oar/Ninigret.html

http://www.smallboatforum.com/PDFfiles/SkiffDesigns.pdf , go to the last page.

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Dave
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Posted: Thu Jul 21st, 2005 04:58 pm

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Hi Dave,

Boat designer John Atkin’s “Ninigret” is certainly an all time favorite at the Small Boat Forum helm. We think it is an all time design incorporating decent size with its ample cockpit space, cozy accommodations, soft ride at mid-planning speeds, and salty looks. Above all it fits the latest outboard 4 cycle engines (and even the new Tohatsu TLDI outboards – based on the low emissions, low pressure 2-cycle technology – is a good choice with their lighter weight and excellent mid-speed economy).

Boat Builder Adrian Morgan of Viking Boats of Ullapool recently completed a “Ninigret” build out for a client to boat the harsh waters of the northwest coast of Scotland. Boat designer Iain Oughtred “tweaked” the lines to increase the flare forward, which the builder says further improves the appearance of the boat. The overall length may have been increased a bit to accomplish this change.

Morgan has placed a bunch of photos on his site in the Gallery section (scroll down to see the series) one of which is reproduced below. Note the bow-up position of the hull at speed (about 20 knots with a 50 hp. Johnson outboard). Other designs that present the ‘V’ bow sections to the chop (softer ride) are the Calkin’s Bartender designs, the Handy Billy designs by Harry Bryan (even a higher bow-up position at cruise speed), William & John Atkin's 20' outboard cruiser Little Hughey might qualify, and the strip built outboard cruiser by Sam Crocker (#283) “Long Shore” (lowest bow-up position at speed).

Back in 2002 when we discussed “Ninigret” on the old Small Boat Forum board, a fellow from CA wrote: “Taking a look at the web tonight I saw your comments on the Ninigret. I bought one from Tony Bries from Baraboo Wisconsin in 1998 (boat builder who reproduced the design for a while). It has been a joy to own and my son and I take it out fishing (Long Beach CA) most weekends. We keep it docked there and have had no, zero, problems with it. It is the best looking boat at out dock, and the complements keep coming in. Just got it repainted and varnished, and it is as gorgeous as the day we got it from Mr. Bries. Anyhow, read your comments, and agree totally.”

Anybody else have first hand experience with Atkin's "Ninigret" design?

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Posted: Fri Jul 22nd, 2005 02:28 am

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Thom,
Thanks for all the info. Great seeing some pictures. Hopefully, if anyone else has info thay'll pass if on.
Dave

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Posted: Fri Aug 5th, 2005 03:17 am

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Dave:

Is your flat bottomed version called the Wanderer? I am finishing one of those (that my father started in 1958 -- some kind of record in procrastination, or perserverance, depending on your point of view). I would love to see photos if you have them. How does it handle the waters in your area?

Bill Smith (Vermont)

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Posted: Fri Aug 5th, 2005 05:44 am

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Hi Bill,
Unfortunately, our boat hasn't been in the water with an engine for about 40 yrs. Back then, we had an 18 hp Evinrude and I think it just putted around from what I remember, maybe hitting 10 to 12 kts. This is just a rough guess through the eyes of a kid at the time.

It was in a boat house much of its life, then floated out, put back in, floated out, put back in, floated out and left on the beach to be put in later. Later never came and it's now the playboat in our yard.

I wouldn't be surprised if the hull could have a new bottom and deck installed then run again but I'd rather try my luck with a V bottom version for the chop we have around here.

The one we have is design # 772, Wanderer and is flat bottom. The plans are dated Oct 1956. Sounds like our respective boats were started around the same time.

I'll dig out some pictures tomorrow, scan them in and email them to you. I think we have only one picture of it in the water at a buoy on Hood Canal and the rest are of it rotting in the yard and then fixed up as the play boat in our yard.

I'd also love to see pictures of yours when available.

Thanks,
Dave

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Posted: Fri Aug 5th, 2005 12:52 pm

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Dave:

Yes, the design is #772. My dad started it from a Dell publishing magazine called "1957 Boats", and I was able to have some correspondence with John and Pat Atkin before Mr. Atkin passed away. I bought the full blueprints from them.

Right now mine is a kids play boat too, as it is on a trailer in my carport as I frame the deck and interior. My two little girls love to pretend they are pirates while I work on the boat.

I have a 30hp Yamaha tiller model that I will put in to start, with plans for a 4 stroke 25hp in the future. Mr. Atkin said that should be good for 16-18 knots, with cruise at 10-12. Good enough for Lake Champlain and Lake Willoughby here in Vt.

Love to see any photos you may have. I can't seem to figure out how to attach mine yet. When I do, I will post some.

Bill Smith

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Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2005 05:54 pm

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Here is a study plan of John Atkin’s ‘Beachcomber’ drawn around 1963. This plan was sold by Capt. Jim Orrell of Texas Dory Boat Plans. This is a deadrise outboard utility in the ‘Ninigret’ mold. Note the sheer, house style, cockpit length, and open motor well.

‘Beachcomber 23’ Design # 823 Particulars: LOA 23’, LWL 20’, Beam 7’ 1“, Draft 1’ Outboard no more than 40 hp. Plans Availability: Check with H.H. Payson & Co.

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Posted: Wed Aug 10th, 2005 05:03 am

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Bill,
Sorry it took so long to get the pictures. I had a hard time finding them. Here are 3 pics, one from a few years ago after replacing the cabin sides, installing cockpit seats and enclosing the motor well area, two from right now.

I think I have that 1957 magazine but of course can't put my hands on it.

I'd love to try one of the Yanmar diesel outboards but the motor would cost more than the boat and being on a shoestring budget, it's just wishful thinking. Please let me know what kind of speeds you get with your engine choice. Any idea when it will hit the water, maybe next summer?

Dave

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Posted: Wed Aug 10th, 2005 05:03 am

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Here's Ninigret bow in its present condition.
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Posted: Wed Aug 10th, 2005 05:04 am

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Finally, Ninigret stern in its present condition.
Dave

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Posted: Wed Aug 10th, 2005 05:05 am

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Beachcomber sure does look like Ninigret. I didn't know it's out there.
Thanks,
Dave

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Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2005 03:33 pm

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Dave:

Thanks for the photos. Yes, it is the same boat.
"Next summer" has been the launch time for several years now. I think that "this fall" would be a better time, but I hate to keep lying to myself.

My Wanderer is BS1088 grade marine plywood, but I do prefer the lapstrake look. In retrospect I should have done a stitch and glue set up with the plywood (but that would have meant about 50% more plywood cost, at big $$/sheet).

I too would love a yanmar diesel, but they are about 8 or 9 k. I am not sure I can buy one in the US in any event. I will keep in touch about the boat, and her launch date.

I will now try to attach a picture.

Bill Smith

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Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2005 03:34 pm

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That worked, so here are some more.

Bill Smith

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Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2005 04:51 pm

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One more

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Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2005 04:51 pm

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one at a time only, I guess

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Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2005 04:52 pm

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again

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Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2005 04:53 pm

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almost done

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Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2005 04:53 pm

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last one (as of 11/2004)

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Posted: Sun Aug 21st, 2005 07:56 pm

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Boy, looks great. I built a Bolger Diablo 15 ft skiff stich and glue a few years ago and would like to try building with framing like yours. I'd like to try building this as cheaply as possible but to last. We're in the process of selling our Kent Ranger 26 sailboat so hopefully may have some time and money once that's done, although finishing off the basement is on the list for this fall. I have a feeling you'll have yours in the water long before I even start building. Keep the pictures coming as you make progress.
Dave

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Posted: Wed Aug 24th, 2005 04:37 am

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Dave:

Just build it. Use BS1088 and scarf join the sheets in 24" sheets and cut out your lapstrakes. The extra $500 you spend on the good stuff will not matter to you in five years, and it will go together and paint so much better that it will be worth it.

Start it now and work on it as often as you can. Don't insist on perfection, just get it done. No one will ever have as critical an eye as you do for your own work. Get your wife to accept it as a priority. The only thing you cannot buy is time already missed. My dad never saw his boat in the water, but I and his granddaughters will.

Good luck.

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